Do you believe in God?

[Tripredacus]

I believe in God, if OP means to use this term from the Bible/Christian reference. Whereas God = Elohim, a plural, and going back further to the oldest record of gods. To make things short for me, my "god" is EN.KI. EN.LIL can die for all I care.

[donkey kong]

Dear dyn,

Sorry, but you're wrong. Kirlian photo isn't science. Paranormal isn't science. The science analyzes and describes only natural phenomena. "Living things...are moist. When the electricity enters the living object, it produces an area of gas ionization around the photographed object, assuming moisture is present on the object. This moisture is transferred from the subject to the emulsion surface of the photographic film and causes an alternation of the electric charge pattern on the film. If a photograph is taken in a vacuum, where no ionized gas is present, no Kirlian image appears. If the Kirlian image were due to some paranormal fundamental living energy field, it should not disappear in a simple vacuum (Hines 2003)." Can you provide any evidence of crystal healing ? The kind of evidence that I am looking for is the same kind of evidenced used to evaluate drugs: a double-blind study, preferably several.
I do not know anything about "chi energy", "negative emotional energy" and "energy flow in our body". And i'm physicist. I know about gravitational energy, potential energy...and i'm waiting for hell

[dyn]

No, i have no time nor desire to convince you of anything, especially if you start with "you are wrong", just because something is not mainstream science today. That's very limited and for scientific development dangerous view. It is similar to flat Earth view from the Middle Ages, people were convinced the Earth is flat, and it was real for them, just like chi/vril doesn't exist for mainstream science today. You need to do your own research, if you are really interested.

Science so far did record terabytes of information in liquid quartz crystal, Marcel Vogel did extensive research on crystals for IBM -- do you think he would dedicate his life as scientist for some fairy tale? Then Nikola Tesla did research on so-called vril/chi, and even made multiple devices which use energy from the ground etc. to generate electricity, one example. Virtually all future zero-point energy devices will be based on this principle, otherwise you are still dependent on (explosive) reaction of sort. What is more interesting -- many of those who are researching zero-point observe how this universal energy is virtually present everywhere in the Universe, and how living organisms are dependent on it, and use it all the time. Therefore, lack of it means various blockades, and when organism gets more of it, it gets better and even develops so-called extrasensory abilities, etc. Nazi Germany did a lot of research into this, because they knew how important it is.

This will be major shift in our civilization and science. Some of us are already aware of it, a lot of people are not. I cannot blame them, media and your leaders are to blame. Some are aware this means fundamental changes in power structures, and are so desperate they are ready to start WW3 just to stop it. What you have today is parasite-based society, what this technology means is universal abundance and unrestrained development and expansion into space. This is why parasites in power (money lenders, etc.) are so afraid of it. They are incompatible with new society.

[dyn]

I believe in God, if OP means to use this term from the Bible/Christian reference. Whereas God = Elohim, a plural, and going back further to the oldest record of gods. To make things short for me, my "god" is EN.KI. EN.LIL can die for all I care.

Hail Ea!

Both are needed, to know good and evil, so people can then do good and evil and progress as civilization. Only one side would lead to stagnation and death.

That Old Serpent, The Dragon, Satan said: "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

This is why religion seeks to kill individuality, total submission to God, while Serpent wants you to see good and evil for yourself and to become as gods, knowing both good and evil and to develop as civilization. Sometimes it takes a lot of evil to achieve good things, but so far we are doing ok, and i hope we will always remain part evil and never forget our dark side, because this enables greater progress and insight. You may also observe, in human history greatest progress was made during the war or after times of great evil. We need violence and evil in order to develop, especially when not aware of this. When humanity becomes more enlightened we can avoid world wars and attack some other race instead.

Ultimately humanity will realize how important it is to keep balance between good and evil, and they will see "love and light" with total submission to be as dangerous as total evil with individuality. Greatest civilization is where society enables individual to develop his or her talents, and then those are used to make that same society stronger, while still allowing individual to explore further. Don't be fooled by democracy, it is the exact opposite of it.

[donkey kong]

This is my last post on this topic.

dyn wrote:

No, i have no time nor desire to convince you of anything, especially if you start with "you are wrong

.
After reviewing your and my posts, I concluded that I was wrong and you're right. I must confess that I am not a man of faith. I have a nasty habit of wanting to see at things from a scientific look. I refute theories that have never had at least one evidence, even remodeled to look new. It's a mistake to think that the burden of proof is on whoever claims, instead of searching for myself evidences that deny these theories. Even though I think I have an open mind, i do not allow myself to use scientific knowledge to explain a supernatural world.

I'm wrong to think that Tesla, even being a genius, and having contributed to the advancement of science and technology, the fact that he believes in "chi" does not prove the existence of this "energy". I'm wrong in thinking that the laws of thermodynamics are correct, and that a vacuum full of energy is all around us (ether theory ?) need evidence. That perpetual motion machines are impossible.

I'm wrong in thinking that the flat land in the middle ages was a myth, the Greeks and other old civilizations already proposed the sphericity of the earth. And even if not a myth, theories evolve. Or are discarded if they are proven wrong.

I'm wrong to accept a scientific explanation, so natural, to the effect kirlian. In not believing in god or gods, demons, angels, fairies and flying dragons that spit fire.

I'm wrong in saying "you're wrong" because "this is a dangerous viewpoint for the development of science".(?)

Like you said, I'm probably a parasite of society, "desperate to start a third world war, not just to accept universal abundance and unrestrained development and expansion into space".

I'm wrong in trying to use scientific reasoning. Being skeptical is a sin. I'm wrong when i think you desire to convince me and others to your faith. After all, where all that is needed is to have faith, there is no room for science. And this film I have seen many times before.

I desire to you a good life, dyn.

dk

[SD]

It's a mistake to think that the burden of proof is on whoever claims

I beg to differ. I'm not trying to start an argument here, but it has always been my view that if someone is going to make a claim (irrespective of WHAT that claim is) then the burden of proof does lie with them, as the claimant. If I tell you I have a million dollars in cash under my bed, and here's the important bit - and I EXPECT OR WANT you to believe me, I would expect to be challenged for proof of my fairly outrageous claim. The same thing (I am speaking for my self not others) applies with any talk of god.
If we just go around believing what people tell us, without questioning it for ourselves, we will end up in a complete state of delusion with regards to most things in life.

EDIT - Upon re-reading your post, I realise (I think) that you were being sarcastic I will however leave my reply there as it remains my view.

[R0tnAx]

I don't believe in something that can't exist and there is no prove that God exist.

Human must believe in something, that why we created God. It our own creation.

My opinon.

[craij]

Sometimes it takes a lot of evil to achieve good things, ...

Oh, please site example here. Please, please, please.

I'm wrong in trying to use scientific reasoning. Being skeptical is a sin...

You are wrong to think this is not transparent.

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We know so little. Organized religion preys on that knowledge.

"We will not live to know the truth. We will not die to know it either."
~craij

[R0tnAx]

Truth? We can explain something that can exist. We can't explain something that can't exist. So that why we will never know the ''Truth'' about god.

[donkey kong]

(definitely last post)

SD wrote: Upon re-reading your post, I realise (I think) that you were being sarcastic

To leave no doubt:
You're right.

[chaos252]

"Nothing is true. Everything is permited"

[Tripredacus]

I believe in God, if OP means to use this term from the Bible/Christian reference. Whereas God = Elohim, a plural, and going back further to the oldest record of gods. To make things short for me, my "god" is EN.KI. EN.LIL can die for all I care.

Hail Ea!

Both are needed, to know good and evil, so people can then do good and evil and progress as civilization. Only one side would lead to stagnation and death.

Indeed, always hail the Father. So much time has passed, no one can be sure if these recorded beings were but people or groups (as similar confusion exists in other historical texts) and I have come to accept the possibility of their return and different faces being present. However, I shall disagree in knowing good and evil. Even in the battles between EN.LIL and EN.KI, the determining factor of good vs evil is still related on point of view, even though it existed in the past. I am not certain as to why I favor EN.KI, but I accept this with the open mindedness that I may be wholly incorrect, but with the determination that I am correct.

[craij]

Sometimes it takes a lot of evil to achieve good things, ...

Oh, please site example here. Please, please, please.

*bump*

[chaos252]

Sometimes it takes a lot of evil to achieve good things, ...

Oh, please site example here. Please, please, please.

*bump*

do you like living in your country? because it didnt get there with hugs and hand holding. i think thats dyns way of saying alot of times, the end seems to justify the means.

[ryanb213]

sorry, i dont.

[craij]

do you like living in your country? because it didnt get there with hugs and hand holding. i think thats dyns way of saying alot of times, the end seems to justify the means.

can't agree on this account.

lets go back to the beginning of america's invasion of america. would you say it was a good thing? because i certainly wouldn't. do you think native americans would think it turned out to be a good thing? i think not.

i need a better example than U.S. of rape and pillage A.

[chaos252]

i need a better example than U.S. of rape and pillage A

didnt say anything about usa. i said your country.. north america, south america, europe, uk and asia...they all have a bloody history. the quality of life for you and your family is based around that.

another thing you could say would be the testing of chemicals on animals, pretty fucked up but makes things safer for people.. or clearing rainforests, killing entire species and forcing indigenous people out to print books to educate doctors who save lives. endless examples all depends on how you look at it

i personally dont believe in black and white good and evil, im just trying to clarify what i think dyn was saying

[dyn]

This is my last post on this topic.

dyn wrote:

No, i have no time nor desire to convince you of anything, especially if you start with "you are wrong

.
After reviewing your and my posts, I concluded that I was wrong and you're right. I must confess that I am not a man of faith. I have a nasty habit of wanting to see at things from a scientific look. I refute theories that have never had at least one evidence, even remodeled to look new. It's a mistake to think that the burden of proof is on whoever claims, instead of searching for myself evidences that deny these theories. Even though I think I have an open mind, i do not allow myself to use scientific knowledge to explain a supernatural world.

I'm wrong to think that Tesla, even being a genius, and having contributed to the advancement of science and technology, the fact that he believes in "chi" does not prove the existence of this "energy". I'm wrong in thinking that the laws of thermodynamics are correct, and that a vacuum full of energy is all around us (ether theory ?) need evidence. That perpetual motion machines are impossible.

I'm wrong in thinking that the flat land in the middle ages was a myth, the Greeks and other old civilizations already proposed the sphericity of the earth. And even if not a myth, theories evolve. Or are discarded if they are proven wrong.

I'm wrong to accept a scientific explanation, so natural, to the effect kirlian. In not believing in god or gods, demons, angels, fairies and flying dragons that spit fire.

I'm wrong in saying "you're wrong" because "this is a dangerous viewpoint for the development of science".(?)

Like you said, I'm probably a parasite of society, "desperate to start a third world war, not just to accept universal abundance and unrestrained development and expansion into space".

I'm wrong in trying to use scientific reasoning. Being skeptical is a sin. I'm wrong when i think you desire to convince me and others to your faith. After all, where all that is needed is to have faith, there is no room for science. And this film I have seen many times before.

I desire to you a good life, dyn.

dk

Yes, you want to see evidence for something, this is normal and nothing wrong with it. My point was science we use today is not yet advanced enough, and in the near future we will accept something which sounds fantastic today as hard reality. This is why i mentioned Tesla, he did in fact create devices which used what he called "earth currents" or "earth energy" and many others. His research is fantastic even today, yet his devices were fully functional.

Accepting what we know today as the only reality is in fact dangerous, similar to dogmas enforced by Christianity/Islam, which suppressed a lot of knowledge from earlier times, as you pointed out. Saying something doesn't exist only because science of today cannot prove it, is similarly limited. I never asked you to believe in something just because people talk about it, but at same time skeptics need to realize we as civilization are still developing, and there is a lot of research done on anti-gravity, zero-point energy and so on. If you are interested do your own research, there is a lot of information available online about this kind of science. You will see people already developed almost unbelievable devices, yet all of this is usually suppressed, because parasites cannot profit from it. By parasites i mean people who profit from current situation, by maintaining status quo and consumerist society, where control of money and natural resources means power and profit for them.

[dyn]

Sometimes it takes a lot of evil to achieve good things, ...

Oh, please site example here. Please, please, please.

It does, one great example is war -- in a very short time you destroy old ways of living, are forced to organize and change society, and improve technologically by inventing new devices and strategies. Then something happens to people as well, what is fictional and not required for survival is destroyed, people change, they are not bound by old moral codes and rules. We need conflicts and war, to destroy old society and create a new one. Peace without conquest means stagnation and even death, it means no progress, or very slow progress, both technologically and spiritually. However things today are critical, we are in fact devolving and won't be able to survive if we don't start new world war, which will stop this degenerative trend and open new age of prosperity. Then we will finally be able to have longer period of peace, combined with conquest of space.

[dyn]

do you like living in your country? because it didnt get there with hugs and hand holding. i think thats dyns way of saying alot of times, the end seems to justify the means.

can't agree on this account.

lets go back to the beginning of america's invasion of america. would you say it was a good thing? because i certainly wouldn't. do you think native americans would think it turned out to be a good thing? i think not.

i need a better example than U.S. of rape and pillage A.

It was a good thing. Sometimes you need to destroy in order to create something new and better. Also, check this video:

[craij]

hatred. greed. revenge. overpopulation. environmental degradation.
better? really?

so following this train of thought, we can destroy our environment to make it better?

re: video
cool and interesting, they are probably on to something. but those spear tips are simply good design. not hard to imagine another race coming up with the same technique (there are many instances of identical designs happening concurrently around the globe). plus the X-factor DNA is likely of alien nature.

[dyn]

It's a fine line, any technology in development will destroy some of the environment, but nothing destroys it as much as overpopulation, human stupidity and greed. Right now only better and cleaner technology can stop this trend, and some sort of population control needs to be implemented. Africa has 1 bil people already, most in poverty, India 1.3 bil, China 1.3 bil. It's too much people, even most of them agree if you ask them.

Solutrians ... It's not only about the spear tips design, they actually analyzed the DNA. Why is it so hard to accept the possibility it is from Europeans? Is it so politically incorrect, are you afraid you may lose your job if you admit it? Sure, it destroys "innocent Indian" myth, but hey, nobody in human history who survived as civilization was totally innocent. Except certain tribes in jungles and aborigines here and there, but those never developed past stone age anyway. Speaking of development or lack of it, i think that's the ONLY reason why Indians lost America. They too were extremely cruel to prisoners and killed many innocent children and women, even before first settlers started hunting them down. They wanted to win and to survive, but problem is, in all those thousands of years after they exterminated cavemen from Europe, they never invented anything, no advanced weaponry and no technology. This alone was their undoing.




"The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power - and nothing else!" -- Friedrich Nietzsche

[R0tnAx]

If you believe in god why don't you believe in Santa and Aliens? It the same thing. When you was a kid your parents told you santa was real, cause childs are naives and think its can be true. But now you are an adult and you still believe in something that simply can't exist. God was used in antic time to explain impossible things like '' WTF is that big shining thing in the sky??? Ahh! probably god!'' and that it. Now everything can be explain with science, so where is god? When you die you simply cease to be, why do you need to believe you have a second life? Seriously, don't take that as an insult but i just don't understand why god need to exist for you?

[craij]

Why is it so hard to accept the possibility it is from Europeans? Is it so politically incorrect, are you afraid you may lose your job if you admit it? Sure, it destroys "innocent Indian" myth, but hey, nobody in human history who survived as civilization was totally innocent.

Not at all. That was the X-factor (5th DNA pointer) I was joking about. Sorry it wasn't more obvious. Sounds like our "native americans" may have been Spaniards.

Regardless, I still haven't seen evidence of this statement...

Sometimes it takes a lot of evil to achieve good things

A more accurate statement might be...
"Sometimes it takes a lot of change to achieve good things"

[dyn]

Well, evidence... You can find many examples where evil helps people realize they need to reorganize and change in order to survive. You need to know both darkness and light, or evil and good. Anything less than that is good for herd mentality, but not for individual development. This is why i don't like organized religion, however i am not an atheist, i see them both limited. They nullify something in order to have this illusory feeling of control and security.

I believe key is to merge opposites somehow. Without subjugation of the individual to a group you get chaos, however suppressed individuality is worth nothing and in turn makes society weaker, nice example is Soviet Russia and Eastern Block before 1990s. Best system is where individual talents are recognized and cultivated, and later used to strengthen the State. Something not based on usury and without forced egalitarianism.

Back on topic...

Atheism accompanied with communism is same as Christianity minus God. There is nothing new in atheism, ideas like that are as old as the Bible itself. After all Christians were atheists in a way as well, they denied all gods except their own. Same goes for the Muslims and the Jews. What is common among all these groups (atheists, and followers of main religions) is denying very nature of human existence, and also laws of Nature itself. Real spiritual insight is replaced by some abstract ideas of God and his commandments, and direct experience is replaced by intellectual debates and arguments over written words. It's pathetic and doomed to failure. What you will see in the near future is destruction of all major religions and atheism as well.

[dyn]

Even Albert Pike agrees:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

[[PB]Willy Wonka]

here we go again!! com on guys! god is only on our imagination..... many people don't understand.

[SERGIO]

l think that quote is from the book "Morals and Dogma", anyone knows where I can get that book? I`m interested because Albert Pike, who was almost worshipped by the freemason community, described in great detail how it is necessary to create three World Wars that enables the introduction of the New World Order.

[[PB]Willy Wonka]

a new world war is not necessary for us to understand....what we need is to disappear off the face of earth....

[craij]

a new world war is not necessary for us to understand....what we need is to disappear off the face of earth....

somebody put an fbi check on this emo