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Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Thu Oct 04, 2012 21:23 UTC


Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions) (Part 1 of 2)




Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions) (Part 2 of 2)




SD, i know you will hate me for this, but i think debates like that are needed. :-D
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby VAT » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:06 UTC

no- religion is opium for folk.
blessed are those who believe? no!
blessed are those with ignorance, because believing in anything does' nt mean knowledge.
one must believe in oneself - that brings real knowledge.
anything else is brainwashing.
incidentally this "big question" is one more way, to keep the folk busy with enemies of clear and discrete thinking...
as well as the most "big questions"....
ask positive !
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby redge » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:57 UTC

Absolutely agree with VAT.
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby SD » Fri Oct 05, 2012 14:53 UTC

Ha! I'm a fan of the show (The Big Questions) - don't think I've seen this one yet though (will watch).
This will hardly come as a shock, but no, I don't think religion is good in any way shape or form, including for children. The tired old argument of "well it brings them comfort so leave them alone" is just that - tired. It is more important and beneficial to actually face reality, even if someone doesn't *like* that reality. Reality exists everywhere and at all times, it doesn't wait for humanity to inform upon it. Some realities I don't like much, and some would class my world view as bleak, cold and completely unattractive. I agree - it IS all of those things. We came from stardust, evolved into what we are today (this is obvious and is not the pinnacle of evolution btw), we reproduce (sic), we die - game over. No heaven with eternal paradise (the Biblical account sounds more like torture to me anyway), the END. Make anyone uncomfortable? Tough :)

" Right now, it is raining methane on Titan. The planet Uranus, apparently trying to live up to its name, is orbiting the sun sideways, while Venus spins backwards. There are stars exploding, black holes gorging, galaxies colliding.

And here we sit, on a planet pock-marked by collisions, rocked by earthquakes, shaken by storms. A planet doomed to be fried in radiation as its magnetic fields collapse, until finally the sun grows into a red giant and leaves nothing of the Earth but dust.

Here we sit, glasses on our noses, inhalers in our pockets, braces on our teeth, waiting to die as our heart muscle expires, our cells decide to grow forever, or a blood vessel just pops, and sometimes in unnatural ways, too.

Here we sit, and some of us say, behold, look at the "order" of it all."
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby SD » Fri Oct 05, 2012 15:06 UTC

Can't get YT links working for some reason?
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Fri Oct 05, 2012 15:09 UTC

Direct links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CISlSGHizDc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLK-JTNpNAQ

Will look into that, it should send you to YT if you click on the title inside player. I don't think we changed anything around embed code here.
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Fri Oct 05, 2012 15:11 UTC

VAT, don't go away i got one German server and we will also install Q3 on it, besides COD4.
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby SD » Fri Oct 05, 2012 15:39 UTC

dyn wrote:Direct links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CISlSGHizDc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLK-JTNpNAQ

Will look into that, it should send you to YT if you click on the title inside player. I don't think we changed anything around embed code here.


No sorry I worded that badly, I meant I can't get YT vids embedded into the thread, I was going to post a response but it wont post - the vids you already posted work fine
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Fri Oct 05, 2012 15:58 UTC

Use
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[youtube]CISlSGHizDc[/youtube]
and not anything else. Only video id and don't use yt43 or ythd, those tags i need to remove, because YouTube changed default quality for embeds, or some crap like that. Need to look into that as well. Well, at least we use proper wmode to allow hardware acceleration to be enabled in contrast to regular embeds and even YT player pages.

For video title you can use
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[bc]some text[/bc]
it will center + bold it.
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby SD » Fri Oct 05, 2012 16:01 UTC


Why are atheists so angry?




OK working now, didn't know it had to be 11 digit only. Thanks :)

Actually I did know now I think about it, forgot :)
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Fri Oct 05, 2012 16:07 UTC

Must be only 11 digit code, with &.... removed. In your case only FoIo_FUj408.
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Fri Oct 05, 2012 16:22 UTC

Nice! Btw i just added new code for YouTube, it can be used besides old one (which must remain there for compatibility):
You can post with it like this:
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[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoIo_FUj408&any_other_crap_YT_appends_here=crap[/yt]
...and it should extract ID automatically. Makes it easier to post.

I will add one more advanced tag later.
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby VAT » Fri Oct 05, 2012 16:28 UTC

dyn wrote:VAT, don't go away i got one German server and we will also install Q3 on it, besides COD4.


good news - with me as the first >admin by seniority< of the world.
Oh, gosh, it looks like I have to go through everything......
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Fri Oct 05, 2012 17:37 UTC

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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby craij » Fri Oct 05, 2012 17:48 UTC

People feed on fear. Most religions spoon out fear. The real issue is not religion but humans need (faith) to feel that there is more (reward) for eating the fear. Sad, really. :no:
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby SD » Fri Oct 05, 2012 20:08 UTC

craij wrote:People feed on fear. Most religions spoon out fear. The real issue is not religion but humans need (faith) to feel that there is more (reward) for eating the fear. Sad, really. :no:


I agree. I addressed this in my earlier post. The truth does not NOT NOT NOT wait for us to inform upon it. And yes, the harsh reality may very well be uncomfortable for a few (or in some countries, the majority) - it doesn't matter if 100% of the entire population of Earth think something is true, they are free to think it, thinking something (believing) doesn't alter what is true or what is not. Can we ever say with certainty? No, we cannot. But that doesn't mean we should make shit up either :)
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Sat Oct 06, 2012 15:53 UTC

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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby SD » Sat Oct 06, 2012 16:17 UTC


A world without Religion


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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Sat Oct 06, 2012 16:40 UTC

My only concern is about that problem i described last time we talked about this ... That is, many times old knowledge was badly translated or interpreted, and then this was accepted as the official word of God. I am more interested in what old civilizations had to say, especially people who built pyramids and older societies. Monotheism destroyed a lot of that ancient science. Sumerians knew a lot about astronomy, even about moons/planets impossible to observe with naked eye, also they knew Earth is not flat and so on.
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby SD » Sat Oct 06, 2012 16:55 UTC

Older civilizations are very interesting to study, I agree about the pyramids. The problem with "holy" scriptures is that even people today don't seem to understand that they were penned by people. People who lived a long time ago. They can contain some factual info, it would be more of an achievement to write books as big as those and get absolutely everything, 100% of it completely wrong - that would take skill :)
So they latch on to this fraction of a percentile of somewhat accurate info and say "look! it says in the scriptures!!!! Therefore God!!!!!" - Face/palm.
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Sun Oct 07, 2012 00:49 UTC

Yes, basically they have limitless faith in badly translated ancient books, from different times and societies, bound together. Sometimes they even copied names from previous book into the next one, so it appeared more consistent. It clearly shows organized religion is first and foremost system of control and oppression, especially against science.

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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Sun Oct 07, 2012 00:58 UTC

One more, it shows the Hebrews are largely responsible for this, and of course morons who listened to them. Certainly not Sumerians and other more advanced societies.

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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby craij » Mon Oct 08, 2012 17:46 UTC

SD wrote:Older civilizations are very interesting to study, I agree about the pyramids. The problem with "holy" scriptures is that even people today don't seem to understand that they were penned by people. People who lived a long time ago. They can contain some factual info, it would be more of an achievement to write books as big as those and get absolutely everything, 100% of it completely wrong - that would take skill :)
So they latch on to this fraction of a percentile of somewhat accurate info and say "look! it says in the scriptures!!!! Therefore God!!!!!" - Face/palm.

Think of the educated few who actually new how to write when the "good books" were written? Wealthy offspring of in-bred aristocrats. I'm sure a good lot of them had an extra chromosome if not other anomalies in their gene pool. :lol:

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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Tue Oct 09, 2012 04:26 UTC

Hebrews, "slaves" from Egypt had first scriptures which were used as the basis for holy books later. Moses was most probably Akhenaten, or his disciple. It was common to sacrifice to Amon Raa back then, from this they adopted animal sacrifices and famous 'Amen' after the prayer. Aknaton was forced to escape Egypt one way or another, some wanted him dead, mainly because his monotheistic ideas of Sun-Disc worship were blasphemous to old beliefs and traditions. All of those are copies of earlier religions or even science, and it appears a lot of true knowledge was already lost back then. This is what atheism generally ignores, there is true science hidden in oldest religions, yet they will go and ridicule everything because of certain less ancient scriptures, translated by people who had no clue what they are about.
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby VAT » Tue Oct 09, 2012 05:36 UTC

idiotism is nearly unlimited.....

absolutism doctrine of government by a single absolute ruler; autocracy
absurdism doctrine that we live in an irrational universe
academicism doctrine that nothing can be known
accidentalism theory that events do not have causes
acosmism disbelief in existence of eternal universe distinct from God
adamitism nakedness for religious reasons
adevism denial of gods of mythology and legend
adiaphorism doctrine of theological indifference or latitudinarianism
adoptionism belief that Christ was the adopted and not natural son of God
aestheticism doctrine that beauty is central to other moral principles
agapism ethics of love
agathism belief in ultimate triumph of good despite evil means
agnosticism doctrine that we can know nothing beyond material phenomena
anarchism doctrine that all governments should be abolished
animism attribution of soul to inanimate objects
annihilationism doctrine that the wicked are utterly destroyed after death
anthropomorphism attribution of human qualities to non-human things
anthropotheism belief that gods are only deified men
antidisestablishmentarianism doctrine opposed to removing Church of England's official religion status
antilapsarianism denial of doctrine of the fall of humanity
antinomianism doctrine of the rejection of moral law
antipedobaptism denial of validity of infant baptism
apocalypticism doctrine of the imminent end of the world
asceticism doctrine that self-denial of the body permits spiritual enlightenment
aspheterism denial of the right to private property
atheism belief that there is no God
atomism belief that the universe consists of small indivisible particles
autosoterism belief that one can obtain salvation through oneself
autotheism belief that one is God incarnate or that one is Christ
bitheism belief in two gods
bonism the doctrine that the world is good but not perfect
bullionism belief in the importance of metallic currency in economics
capitalism doctrine that private ownership and free markets should govern economies
casualism the belief that chance governs all things
catabaptism belief in the wrongness of infant baptism
catastrophism belief in rapid geological and biological change
collectivism doctrine of communal control of means of production
collegialism theory that church is independent from the state
conceptualism theory that universal truths exist as mental concepts
conservatism belief in maintaining political and social traditions
constructivism belief that knowledge and reality do not have an objective value
cosmism belief that the cosmos is a self-existing whole
cosmotheism the belief that identifies God with the cosmos
deism belief in God but rejection of religion
determinism doctrine that events are predetermined by preceding events or laws
diphysitism belief in the dual nature of Christ
ditheism belief in two equal gods, one good and one evil
ditheletism doctrine that Christ had two wills
dualism doctrine that the universe is controlled by one good and one evil force
egalitarianism belief that humans ought to be equal in rights and privileges
egoism doctrine that the pursuit of self-interest is the highest good
egotheism identification of oneself with God
eidolism belief in ghosts
emotivism theory that moral statements are inherently biased
empiricism doctrine that the experience of the senses is the only source of knowledge
entryism doctrine of joining a group to change its policies
epiphenomenalism doctrine that mental processes are epiphenomena of brain activity
eternalism the belief that matter has existed eternally
eudaemonism ethical belief that happiness equals morality
euhemerism explanation of mythology as growing out of history
existentialism doctrine of individual human responsibility in an unfathomable universe
experientialism doctrine that knowledge comes from experience
fallibilism the doctrine that empirical knowledge is uncertain
fatalism doctrine that events are fixed and humans are powerless
fideism doctrine that knowledge depends on faith over reason
finalism belief that an end has or can be reached
fortuitism belief in evolution by chance variation
functionalism doctrine emphasising utility and function
geocentrism belief that Earth is the centre of the universe
gnosticism belief that freedom derives solely from knowledge
gradualism belief that things proceed by degrees
gymnobiblism belief that the Bible can be presented to unlearned without commentary
hedonism belief that pleasure is the highest good
henism doctrine that there is only one kind of existence
henotheism belief in one tribal god, but not as the only god
historicism belief that all phenomena are historically determined
holism doctrine that parts of any thing must be understood in relation to the whole
holobaptism belief in baptism with total immersion in water
humanism belief that human interests and mind are paramount
humanitarianism doctrine that the highest moral obligation is to improve human welfare
hylicism materialism
hylomorphism belief that matter is cause of the universe
hylopathism belief in ability of matter to affect the spiritual world
hylotheism belief that the universe is purely material
hylozoism doctrine that all matter is endowed with life
idealism belief that our experiences of the world consist of ideas
identism doctrine that objective and subjective, or matter and mind, are identical
ignorantism doctrine that ignorance is a favourable thing
illuminism belief in an inward spiritual light
illusionism belief that the external world is philosophy
imagism doctrine of use of precise images with unrestricted subject
immanentism belief in an immanent or permanent god
immaterialism the doctrine that there is no material substance
immoralism rejection of morality
indifferentism the belief that all religions are equally valid
individualism belief that individual interests and rights are paramount
instrumentalism doctrine that ideas are instruments of action
intellectualism belief that all knowledge is derived from reason
interactionism belief that mind and body act on each other
introspectionism doctrine that knowledge of mind must derive from introspection
intuitionism belief that the perception of truth is by intuition
irreligionism system of belief that is hostile to religions
kathenotheism polytheism in which each god is considered single and supreme
kenotism doctrine that Christ rid himself of divinity in becoming human
laicism doctrine of opposition to clergy and priests
latitudinarianism doctrine of broad liberality in religious belief and conduct
laxism belief that an unlikely opinion may be safely followed
legalism belief that salvation depends on strict adherence to the law
liberalism doctrine of social change and tolerance
libertarianism doctrine that personal liberty is the highest value
malism the belief that the world is evil
materialism belief that matter is the only extant substance
mechanism belief that life is explainable by mechanical forces
meliorism the belief the world tends to become better
mentalism belief that the world can be explained as aspect of the mind
messianism belief in a single messiah or saviour
millenarianism belief that an ideal society will be produced in the near future
modalism belief in unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit
monadism theory that there exist ultimate units of being
monergism theory that the Holy Spirit alone can act
monism belief that all things can be placed in one category
monophysitism belief that Christ was primarily divine but in human form
monopsychism belief that individuals have a single eternal soul
monotheism belief in only one God
monotheletism belief that Christ had only one will
mortalism belief that the soul is mortal
mutualism belief in mutual dependence of society and the individual
nativism belief that the mind possesses inborn thoughts
naturalism belief that the world can be explained in terms of natural forces
necessarianism theory that actions are determined by prior history; fatalism
neonomianism theory that the gospel abrogates earlier moral codes
neovitalism theory that total material explanation is impossible
nihilism denial of all reality; extreme scepticism
nominalism doctrine that naming of things defines reality
nomism view that moral conduct consists in observance of laws
noumenalism belief in existence of noumena
nullibilism denial that the soul exists in space
numenism belief in local deities or spirits
objectivism doctrine that all reality is objective
omnism belief in all religions
optimism doctrine that we live in the best of all possible worlds
organicism conception of life or society as an organism
paedobaptism doctrine of infant baptism
panaesthetism theory that consciousness may inhere generally in matter
pancosmism theory that the material universe is all that exists
panegoism solipsism
panentheism belief that world is part but not all of God’s being
panpsychism theory that all nature has a psychic side
pansexualism theory that all thought derived from sexual instinct
panspermatism belief in origin of life from extraterrestrial germs
pantheism belief that the universe is God; belief in many gods
panzoism belief that humans and animals share vital life energy
parallelism belief that matter and mind don’t interact but relate
pejorism severe pessimism
perfectibilism doctrine that humans capable of becoming perfect
perfectionism doctrine that moral perfection constitutes the highest value
personalism doctrine that humans possess spiritual freedom
pessimism doctrine that the universe is essentially evil
phenomenalism belief that phenomena are the only realities
physicalism belief that all phenomena reducible to verifiable assertions
physitheism attribution of physical form and attributes to deities
pluralism belief that reality consists of several kinds or entities
polytheism belief in multiple deities
positivism doctrine that that which is not observable is not knowable
pragmatism doctrine emphasizing practical value of philosophy
predestinarianism belief that what ever is to happen is already fixed
prescriptivism belief that moral edicts are merely orders with no truth value
primitivism doctrine that a simple and natural life is morally best
privatism attitude of avoiding involvement in outside interests
probabiliorism belief that when in doubt one must choose most likely answer
probabilism belief that knowledge is always probable but never absolute
psilanthropism denial of Christ's divinity
psychism belief in universal soul
psychomorphism doctrine that inanimate objects have human mentality
psychopannychism belief souls sleep from death to resurrection
psychotheism doctrine that God is a purely spiritual entity
pyrrhonism total or radical skepticism
quietism doctrine of enlightenment through mental tranquility
racism belief that race is the primary determinant of human capacities
rationalism belief that reason is the fundamental source of knowledge
realism doctrine that objects of cognition are real
reductionism belief that complex phenomena are reducible to simple ones
regalism doctrine of the monarch's supremacy in church affairs
representationalism doctrine that ideas rather than external objects are basis of knowledge
republicanism belief that a republic is the best form of government
resistentialism humorous theory that inanimate objects display malice towards humans
romanticism belief in sentimental feeling in artistic expression
sacerdotalism belief that priests are necessary mediators between God and mankind
sacramentarianism belief that sacraments have unusual properties
scientism belief that the methods of science are universally applicable
self-determinism doctrine that the actions of a self are determined by itself
sensationalism belief that ideas originate solely in sensation
siderism belief that the stars influence human affairs
skepticism doctrine that true knowledge is always uncertain
socialism doctrine of centralized state control of wealth and property
solarism excessive use of solar myths in explaining mythology
solifidianism doctrine that faith alone will ensure salvation
solipsism theory that self-existence is the only certainty
somatism materialism
spatialism doctrine that matter has only spatial, temporal and causal properties
spiritualism belief that nothing is real except the soul or spirit
stercoranism belief that the consecrated Eucharist is digested and evacuated
stoicism belief in indifference to pleasure or pain
subjectivism doctrine that all knowledge is subjective
substantialism belief that there is a real existence underlying phenomena
syndicalism doctrine of direct worker control of capital
synergism belief that human will and divine spirit cooperate in salvation
terminism doctrine that there is a time limit for repentance
thanatism belief that the soul dies with the body
theism belief in the existence of God without special revelation
theocentrism belief that God is central fact of existence
theopantism belief that God is the only reality
theopsychism belief that the soul is of a divine nature
thnetopsychism belief that the soul dies with the body, to be reborn on day of judgement
titanism spirit of revolt or defiance against social conventions
tolerationism doctrine of toleration of religious differences
totemism belief that a group has a special kinship with an object or animal
transcendentalism theory that emphasizes that which transcends perception
transmigrationism belief that soul passes into other body at death
trialism doctrine that humans have three separate essences (body, soul, spirit)
tritheism belief that the members of the Trinity are separate gods
triumphalism belief in the superiority of one particular religious creed
tuism theory that individuals have a second or other self
tutiorism doctrine that one should take the safer moral course
tychism theory that accepts role of pure chance
ubiquitarianism belief that Christ is everywhere
undulationism theory that light consists of waves
universalism belief in universal salvation
utilitarianism belief that utility of actions determines moral value
vitalism the doctrine that there is a vital force behind life
voluntarism belief that the will dominates the intellect
zoism doctrine that life originates from a single vital principle
zoomorphism conception of a god or man in animal form
zootheism attribution of divine qualities to animals
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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby dyn » Tue Oct 09, 2012 05:43 UTC

Well those can lead to war, or even very big wars, which in turn force people to develop and evolve faster. It is so beautiful to destroy and then rebuild again. It brings life out of things.

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Re: Is Religion Good For Children? (The Big Questions)

Postby VAT » Tue Oct 09, 2012 06:14 UTC

Creation is simply breathtaking....
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