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Re: Asking for removal of ban

PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 19:17 UTC
by Q_Q_ME
Hi Heli Pilot

If you received the ban in July the ban should have lifted long ago.

Have you tried to re-enter the server?

Try entering the server now and then come back and let me know if you were able to re-enter te server.

PS: In the future to avoid an arguments, make sure you go to spec and spectate the player before you accuse the player of hacking/cheating.

One more thing Heli Pilot, it's never a good Idea to ague with or disrespect an admin.

Good Luck

Q_Q_Me :oldman:

Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 19:57 UTC
by Wubsy
Hi, I was planning to register one day, but in the light of the new events, well, here I am..
First of all, I would like to congratulate you, as a team, for the servers. It was really good fun. Aaanyway, today (in fact, right now) I was banned on the FFA server under the name of WUBZ/)Vinyl_S and I really don't know why. Please, I would really appreciate it if you would be so kind to clarify the situation for me. :|

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 20:55 UTC
by Q_Q_ME
Hello’ Wubsy
WUBZ/)Vinyl_S
Yes you were banned for being what you most likely think was funny when you were knowingly addressing a server admin.

You were using the console for long conversations with long drawn out sentences that had nothing to do with anything going on in the server.

This is extremely annoying and distracting to the other players who are in the server to play and have fun.

When I asked when the server became a chat server you were quick to comment and thought it was funny.

I then informed you that I was an admin you chose to ignore me and again commented with “this is now a chat server” .

Then you took it another step farther and made another foolish comment after I had just informed you that I was an admin. “oh, and I’m immune to trolls, just so you know.. ;]”.

Well just so you know, the ban will not be lifted until it runs it’s cores and you learn to respect the admins in the server.

Use the time off wisely and learn how to be more respectful to the admins.

Your comments that I quoted in this reply can be viewed in the attached screenshots.

Regards

Q_Q_Me :oldman:
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Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 14:53 UTC
by misfit
Ooops!

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 02:00 UTC
by Tripredacus
Well is that how COD4 server is run... I was considering trying it myself but I think I will reconsider if this is how things like this are handled. :knight:

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:29 UTC
by fallout
Tripredacus

Considering your long association with Vogon, and your many years as an Admin, I would suggest you consider playing a few days
at either of the COD4 server's, and see what happens on them. In my humble opinion, Q_Q_Me was very patient with this person
in how he handled it. Maybe when it becomes appearent to you what the Admin's have to deal with, you might reconsider your
opinion's/comments and repost with a more knowledgeable response.


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Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 14:36 UTC
by Q_Q_ME
It never ceases to amaze me when people who weren’t in the server and never witnessed the events leading up to a player’s ban can pass judgment on an admins decision to ban a player.

Tripredacus, If your sol intent of replying to this matter was to show your distain for the way the COD4 admins handle things in the COD4 servers.

Then you need to redirect your comment to the individual that holds the COD4 admins responsible for their actions. (dyn)

Dyn himself has laid out the guidelines pertaining to the administration of the COD4 servers including what the admins can and cannot do and what the admins should and should not ban players for.

Whether you decide to play or not to play COD4 is entirely up to you.

If you allow a justified ban to discourage you so easily you might be more discouraged if you decide to play COD4 and there are no admins in the server to assist you when you need them.

If there are no admins in the server to insure there’s fair play in the server for all and to ban the constant influx of hacks/cheaters, trolls, glitchers, spammers, players purposely creating annoyances and the disrespectful uncouth players who love harassing and taking advantage of new players every chance they get to do so, you might find it difficult to play.

You’ll never know all the joy your missing till you’ve had the unique opportunity to spend on average of 60+ hours in the server every week administrating thousands of players per week like the FFA and TDM admins are doing and your constantly checking and spectating players till your eyes burn and watching the console at the same time for messages from players who want you to spectate a suspected player.

Then there are all those other matters that I’ve already mentioned above that we have to deal with at the same time that no one seems to appreciate until they need an admin to bail them out.

If you decide to Play COD4 Tripredacus, you can be assured that there will be dedicated admins in the server who will be donating their personal time to ensure other players don’t taken advantage of you.

Cod4 is no different than the lotto or any other game, if you don’t play you can’t win.

I say go for it!!!

Regards

Q_Q_Me :oldman:

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 15:09 UTC
by rookie
Q..kudos to you my friend..I could not have replied any better..so glad to be a small part of this server.

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 16:55 UTC
by misfit
Q_Q_Me... I couldn't have said it better. In fact, I wouldn't have. You are MUCH more patient than any person in authority I've ever known on this server. After all the work we put into cleaning up this server and the constant maintenance it takes to keep it that way, if tripredacus doesn't get it, perhaps he should just try a few other servers and then come back and tell us how he feels after that. We're not perfect, but our server is unique. We don't rely on Punkbuster. We rely on dedicated admins and players, who WANT to play on a server that offers a chance at a fair and fun game. The only way we can even hope to accomplish that, is to have the players in our servers respect the admins and the processes that we go through. Play fair and respect the rules... you'll have a good time on our server.

misfit

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 18:02 UTC
by SD
Don't pay too much attention to Trip. He generally turns up once in a blue moon, makes a few (questionable) comments and then crawls back under his rock to play with his transformers. Isn't that right, Tripredacus?

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 00:01 UTC
by Tripredacus
SD wrote:Don't pay too much attention to Trip. He generally turns up once in a blue moon, makes a few (questionable) comments and then crawls back under his rock to play with his transformers. Isn't that right, Tripredacus?


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My comment was only in regards to the fact that someone was banned for talking too much, something I tend to do myself. That is the only reason for my comment.

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 01:52 UTC
by Wubsy
My replies are not getting through.. Is it a problem on my end, or the replies were not approved?

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 15:10 UTC
by Q_Q_ME
Since you want to continue posting on this ban Wubsy a ban that I already considered
closed and nothing is going to change when it comes to my decision on your ban.

I've been patient about this bullshit long enough so now I'll explain where you went
wrong in plain English so anyone who reads and views this post can understand it.

As far as your posts that were disapproved are concerned Wubsy.

You created a post in the attempt to baffle me with bullshit by plagiarizing another post from this board and It was disapproved, because I wrote it dumbass.

It’s clear to me that your use to baffling people with bullshit to get your own way when it suits you.

As far as your freedom of speech is concerned it went out the window when you became a wise ass and made the stupid childish comments to me knowing full well that I was an admin.

As soon as I informed you that I was an admin the other player that was also doing the same thing as you stopped, but you had to show your defiance by running your mouth.

Concerning Trip’s post.
It's apparent to me that Trip failed to read, view and understand my first post.
Wubsy' wasn’t banned for talking too much Trip, he was banned for being a smart ass and disrespecting and admin.

Here are a few samples of what’s wrong with carrying on long drawn out maximized conversations Via the console on the TDM and FFA Servers or on any other servers.

It's usually the Selfish disrespectful Fucktards and Noobs that have a tendency to do this bullshit.

It's uncalled for, especially in a server with 48 clients playing Free For All and the annoying text is blocking and obstructing the view of the clients who
are there to play and have fun and can't see the other players that are hidden behind and in back of the long lines of annoying text in the console.

These sample screenshots were taken on the TDM server, Tyr to count the players that are being obscured by the text in the console.

If you find it difficult to count them in these still screenshots, think about how difficult it has to be for the players who are playing and have to put up with this bullshit.

Then consider how annoying it would be to have play while 2 inconsiderate assholes selfishly continue to do this for the full length of the map.

Clearly assholes that do this have no respect for anyone but them selves which would explain a great deal concerning this ban.

With all the free client communication software that's available to players today there's no excuse
for any intelligent person or persons to be using a game server that they don't support or donate to as a personal chat room.

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Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 16:47 UTC
by misfit
Case closed. Next!

misfit

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 20:35 UTC
by Wubsy
I understood what I did wrong in the first place and all I wanted was to apologize. I didn't want the ban to be lifted (at least, not forever, that is.. :) ), you are right at what you've said, I just wanted you to see my point of view. Like I said in the post that was disapproved, I didn't mean any disrespect and that troll thing was directed at CleanMachine. Again, I'm sorry. Just as I've finished with that player, I was going to explain, but I was banned right away. And regarding the plagiarism, I don't know of what post are you talking about, and if something like that was already discussed, then it's purely coincidence. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm just trying to say that I'm sorry. :( Why can't we just get along? I know it was wrong of me to say that "this is now a chat server!". I'm not even allowed to explain myself and say that I'm sorry and try to apologize, I'm just left in the dark like that and with no chance of a word, whether wrong or right? :'(

Re: Asking for removal of ban

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 00:10 UTC
by Heli Pilot
I tried to get back in the server and if it does allow me in, it kicks me out within a minute. I currently cannot get in.

Re: Asking for removal of ban

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 01:38 UTC
by Q_Q_ME
OK, Heli Pilot

I sent you a PM with some instructions in it.

Check your PM and follow the instructions.

Q_Q_Me :oldman:

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 01:53 UTC
by Q_Q_ME
Ok, Wubsy

You could have made it a lot easier on all of us if you had said this in your first post.

I'll let the other admins know you can re-enter the server when the ban is lifted.

As you noticed in my last post I was rude and not as pleasant as I was at first so you would get an idear of how it feels to be disrespected.

Keep in mind that the admins put in long hours and when you say something out of the way to an admin, especially after they notify you of their admin status you need to be respectful to them and respectful to them at all times.

If you keep this in mind you'll never have any problems with any of the admins.

As for the in game console chat, a little chat is fine until it becomes so constant that it becomes annoying
or starts to sprawl and double and triple the lines of text so players cant see the players behind the text.

If you can't reconnect to the server yet, check the PM I'm sending you and follow the instructions in the PM.

Good Luck Wubsy

Q_Q_Me :oldman:

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 16:29 UTC
by AG
Tripredacus wrote:Well is that how COD4 server is run... I was considering trying it myself but I think I will reconsider if this is how things like this are handled. :knight:

lol welcome to four years ago.

Tripredacus wrote:My comment was only in regards to the fact that someone was banned for talking too much, something I tend to do myself. That is the only reason for my comment.

the player base and traffic for cod4 are exponentially larger than q3 as is the general bullshittery. instead of dealing with two or three obnoxious pricks out of 30 total players, it's hundreds of obnoxious pricks out of hundreds. monitoring has to be adjusted accordingly.

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 17:51 UTC
by misfit
Exactly. So there!

:eyesclosed:


misfit

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 01:45 UTC
by Tripredacus
AG wrote:the player base and traffic for cod4 are exponentially larger than q3 as is the general bullshittery. instead of dealing with two or three obnoxious pricks out of 30 total players, it's hundreds of obnoxious pricks out of hundreds. monitoring has to be adjusted accordingly.


Oh so then its just like Halo! :megagrin:

Oh hey Q_Q_Me, I understand about random letter typing, when users just start mashing on the keyboard. Definately not good. I wonder tho if the COD4 mod supports vogon Q3 console commands to speak directly to members. I've seen COD4 videos online and don't remember seeing the chat screen text being that large. Maybe I was seeing console versions.

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 02:32 UTC
by Q_Q_ME
Hey Trip

The game is capable of voice chat however it’s turned off in the server settings.
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The players can communicate with each other in what is known as team chat and type messages to each other and only the players on their team can read the messages in the console.

When players not using team chat communicate with each other they type text directly into the main console and everyone in the server can see and read it.

Usually players are mindful not to type the max limit into the main console at one time or consistently carry on long drawn out conversations so as not to obstruct the view of the clients that are playing or so it doesn’t become annoying or distracting.

Admins are always spectating players and at the same time trying to pay attention to the main console chat to see if a player is trying to communicate with one of the admins in the server.

We do not ban for properly using the main console chat.

If the player in question stopped when I announced myself as an admin and not told everyone that It was now a chat server I would have explained to him what he was doing wrong.

If we allow a player to disrespect an admin in the server for all the other players to see and we as admins fail to respond.

Then what’s to stop all the other players from telling the admins to take a hike when we have to deal with a situation in the server??

The only way you will ever really know what the admins have to deal with is to install the game and join the server and see for yourself.

Warning, both servers are properly named. ARES TDM ANARCHY & ARES FFA CHAOS :DD

Q_Q_Me :oldman:

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 09:06 UTC
by Wubsy
Thank you for accepting my apologies. I was beginning to think that these really are the vogon's headquarters...
PS: For future reference, *she. :)
Your Honor, I rest my case.

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 18:49 UTC
by Fierfaks
You didn't manage to apologize as again offended much more is more more senior, than you the person. You behave haughty. You show us the not respect the lady. :sour:

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 00:06 UTC
by misfit
Huh?

misfit

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 00:43 UTC
by Q_Q_ME
What did he say???

Q_Q_Me :oldman:

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 15:06 UTC
by Fierfaks
I told that she doesn't respect us and our work. :yes:

Re: Asking for removal of ban

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 23:58 UTC
by Heli Pilot
I tried your suggestion and still have the same problem. I get on for less than a minute and then it kicks me off.

Re: Asking for removal of ban

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:35 UTC
by Q_Q_ME
Hi' Again Heli Pilot

If your able to actually connect and enter the server and then you're getting disconnected it's not a ban.

It sounds more like you have a script or something else running for the game that the server is set to defend against.

If you have anything running other than the legal settings for the game you need to turn them off or un-install them.

Also be advised if you connect to the server and you have something running or you turn on or use anything that the server is set to defend against it will automatically kick you.

I suggest you check things on your end before you try to re-connect to the server again.

Regards

Q_Q_Me :oldman:

Re: Yet Another Ban Appeal

PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 01:56 UTC
by Wubsy
I'm sorry that you feel that way, Fierfaks.